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Survival and Austere Medicine is finally finished.
I have e-mailed the pdf + word versions to RR.
We are not sure yet when it will be available on the board - its very big.
If you wish to purchase a copy pre-printed from Cafepress - it should be available in the next few days - Im having a few technical problems uploading the pdf - but should have it sorted soon. The price will be cost only.
http://www.cafepress.com/austeremed - but nothing is available yet
It will also be available as a pdf from www.aussurvivalist.com - but not for a few days until the webmaster can post it - the file size isnt a problem.
Craig
YES! YES! YES! Please let us know print price as soon as you have it. Thanks bunches for all your work on this.
YEAH! - thanks Craig!
we really appriciate all your work on this!
-t
Here is the Aus survivalist link for the *pdf
http://www.aussurvivalist.com/downloads/AM%20Final%202.pdf
cheers
Craig
dammmmm good work, i have stop my Gastroenterology reading to read this one. ohh dont put somthing, like this on the web before i have a test :-D:
FlightERDoc
05-30-05, 20:28
52B - are you a med student?
And how'd you get that handle?
yes i am a medical studente.
52bravo was my call signe in bosnier
OK
Up and running on the above link
$13.60 - cost price
The cover isnt overly exciting but I think its ok - Im worried about the resolution of the lettering - Ive ordered a copy to see - Im sure it will be fine.
Spread the word
Very satisfying to have it finished !!
Its quite a neat way to publish a book
Craig
A few notes:
Cafe Press says it's 191 pages, but the pdf has 213 pages.
Searches on the Cafe Press web site for the title, and all (any) keywords in the title don't find it.
The description is very "doomer" oriented, and probably going to scare off other potential readers (backcountry, remote medic, relief worker, etc.) that would be interested in the book.
Great to see that it's finally been released!
-t
ps: send 2 copies to the LOC (Library of Congress) so we can get an ISBN for it and tell Amazon.com about it.
ps: send 2 copies to the LOC (Library of Congress) so we can get an ISBN for it and tell Amazon.com about it.
tangent, there must be more to it than that. What is the exact procedure? I just ordered 6, but could swing 2 more probably.
thanks Tangent. Feel free to write a more upbeat synopsis - its easily changed - I just lifted the part of the introduction - I was in a hurry. I willl look into the search function
THe number of pages reflects the format - Cafepress = 8 x 11 in (US letter I think) while the pdf is in A4 - exactly the same content
Craig
ugh! - here's how to get an ISBN in NZ, it looks like the whole process is more complicated than I thought... there is apparently a LOC number and library info - like a library card catalog entry, a barcode for the back and getting it listed in Books in print.
Found one place that has a "how to" kit for about $80, can probably find someplace that has the info for free.
http://www.natlib.govt.nz/en/services/5isbnissn.html
There is supposed to be an online application for the US too for ISBN's.
(never done this before)
-t
ps: A4 paper is larger than 8 1/2 x 11, IIRC, also was printing it out from the PDF and was getting one page per sheet - 213 total... odd...
Maybe they aren't counting some pages, or...
Reasonable Rascal
05-31-05, 15:34
Doubtless the low down no account varmints at the Press skimmed a few pages off the top for themselves. :sniper1:
How about margin differences being one factor. I'll let you know when my copies arrive what it was they did to account for the difference in page count.
RR
found it! - well, most of it...
http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/application.asp
This will let you register a US ISBN (block of 10 ISBN's is $25) and optionally get a barcode ($25 each). I THINK that also gets it listed in Books in Print.
umm, no. After you get a ISBN, go here to register to be listed in books in print: (Doing this means that places like Amazon and regular bookstores can easily find and buy the book)
http://www.bowkerlink.com/corrections/common/home.asp
Still need the Library of Congress part..., and I think that's it.
OK - here it is... looks like there are a few things here: copywrite (looks like it's $30 or more - the FEE table and instructions make the IRS look like a cake walk... :( Might want to skip it. What you don't want to skip is the LCCN (PCN) and CIP data (It's free). Don't worry about ISSN's - that's for magazines.
http://www.loc.gov/loc/infopub/
btw: you might want to yank it back from Cafe Press, temporairly. The impression I get is that a PCN being assigned prior to publication is a given, but if the book has allready been published, they only do that if the LOC decides to add it to their collection. It looks like you have to send one copy, not two to the LOC when it does get published. Maybe I'm missing something here - I was pretty sure it was 2 copies...
sooo... STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!!!
I'll pass this by a friend who's a lawyer and I believe familiar with the procedures to make sure this is everything and it's correct.
-t
PS: failure to have the PCN/LCCN/CIP is probably going to exclude it from being found via interlibrary loan, being added to library collections, etc.
I was surprised about the the page numbering as well - but US letter is obviously wider than A4 and I think the extra words per line accounts for it.
I have a pdf in 8x11 if you prefer it to A4
Craig
Good Grief, tangent, never mind! Craig/RR bet they don't count the intro and index pages as pages numbered.
How wide spread do you want this to go ? Word of mouth and via the internet is fine with me. If you want me to go further in terms of getting numbers Ill do it - I can easily add a dollar to the cost to cover any charges.
I still see this as a low key project - when we fix all the errors (very few I hope) and add all the extras we ran out of time on we can do ISBN for the third edition?
Those that have ordered in the States will get there copies before I get mine so could you feed back on look and quality - as I said my only concern is resolution of the print on the front cover - but was impossible to tell from the sample display.
Craig
> I have a pdf in 8x11 if you prefer it to A4
I only got through printing half the book (ran out of ink), so lets see how it goes. It looks to be sizing it to fit and the page numbering is in the same place on each page... Looks fine as is.
btw: I edited to add (several times) on the info post re: getting the book registered. I know that drives you crazy, but go back and re-read the whole thing in case you viewed before I finished.
thanks,
-t
> How wide spread do you want this to go ? Word of mouth and via the internet is fine with me. If you want me to go further in terms of getting numbers Ill do it
> I still see this as a low key project - when we fix all the errors (very few I hope) and add all the extras we ran out of time on we can do ISBN for the third edition?
It seems like a ripe time to give it wider exposure... OTOH: How long do you think it would take to get a third edition out? Another 2 years? I was kind of disapointed that we didn't have more in the way of "howto" in there. There is mutch that isn't in the traditional texts.
Getting the numbers shouldn't cost more than $50 and offers good benifits. Particularly if libraries will pick it up. I don't see that many sales, but if it gets out there a litttle, we might get an offer from a real publisher for edition 3...
Considering the current political environment and some of the trash that is getting published... I mean it's a lot better than "The Worst Case Survival Handbook (Manual?)"
btw: what is the status of S.Roberts book and work on insulin production?
It seems that there are a number of orphan books on the topic, I can think of some related ones besides S.Roberts, and RQD is working on 2 books... Maybe we could do some networking for the third edition and pull together a compilation that would qualify as a serious BOOK! (like 500 - 800 pages)
-t
Reasonable Rascal
05-31-05, 17:13
btw: I edited to add (several times) on the info post re: getting the book registered. I know that drives you crazy, but go back and re-read the whole thing in case you viewed before I finished.
It's not a drive it's a putt but we're used to it. :wink1:
I'm game for holding off on the fancy work for now, whatever the final concensus is. My only concern is copyright so that no one takes it and pledgarizes the living daylights out of it and offers it as their own. I don't believe that is an issue since with publication we should be able to prove authorship very easily (unless Tangent takes the witness stand in which case they're likely to end up believing Genghis Khan was the author in fact).
Now that we have the outline so to speak any updates ought to be much easier. Perhaps add in a chapter on infectious disease control and isolation, by way of illustration.
The book is after all titled ":An Introduction." It fits and it does what was intended. It is not a how-to manual per se. For that you hit the references section to find the resources needed to actually perform those skilled procedures that, in the hands of the layperson, will send us more knowlegable types running quickly the other direction.
There could be an add-in next time around detailing alternative uses for certain medications. 101 Things You Can Do With Benadryl.... now there's a snazzy chapter title. :P:
I've been hitting other boards with the news. No telling how many copies have been downloaded as a result. I tried tossing it up here on the board but so far it is not transferring cleanly off my machine - acts like it isn't a uploadable file.
Now the question is, aside from what's wrong with my files, is do we want/need a forum solely for public discussion of the book, or should folks just hit the appropriate forum?
RR
Could someone who frequents the misc.survivalism newsgroup post a link to the Aus survivalist site and the Cafepress site. I dont venture into that part of cyberspace any more - the frustrations dealing with the xyzphobics was to much for me.
We have plenty of scope to expand it for a third edition. Im very happy to incorportate it or for it to be incorporated into another text. If you want to develop chapters or redevelop chapters you are very welcome. When we have enough new or modified material we re-issue. Could be 6 months or 3 years - dont matter. But we are in a good position to move from here
Craig
Reasonable Rascal
05-31-05, 17:25
I don't frequent there but I have them on my newsgroups. The xyzphobics are alive and well I'm afraid.
I'll make a post there now.
RR
P.S RR - I commited Tangents sin and re-edited the above post after you have read it LOL :wink:
Reasonable Rascal
05-31-05, 17:38
For this grave transgression my son thou shall recite 5 mea culpas and 10 Hail Mary's. :whip1:
RR
> My only concern is copyright so that no one takes it and pledgarizes the living daylights out of it and offers it as their own.
That can be a problem... I believe we gave copywrite to individual authors for this edition. Also, if we send a copy to the LOC (for cataloging), then it's easy to prove. Another advantage to getting the numbers.
> I don't believe that is an issue since with publication we should be able to prove authorship very easily (unless Tangent takes the witness stand in which case they're likely to end up believing Genghis Khan was the author in fact).
Genghis Khan? - I usually get told I resemble someone a bit more recognizable - like Jesus Christ, Charlie Manson, Johnny Depp or what is that guys name - crazy Scott that kicked a lot of Bitt butt... umm... William Wallace! - yeah, that's it!
:-D:
> The book is after all titled ":An Introduction." It fits and it does what was intended. It is not a how-to manual per se. For that you hit the references section to find the resources needed to actually perform those skilled procedures that, in the hands of the layperson, will send us more knowlegable types running quickly the other direction.
Yes and no. Lets skip the chapter on do it yourself brain surgery, but there is a big void in the literature about if you can't get to a hospital or there will be a major delay. NWSS's chapter on medical care is a step in the right direction. Not so much a one stop textbook, but a next step to a basic class and a resource guide with an emphasis on long term care without supplies or help. A section on physiology post 1 hour after injury would be very good, as an example...
> There could be an add-in next time around detailing alternative uses for certain medications. 101 Things You Can Do With Benadryl.... now there's a snazzy chapter title.
I like it!
> I've been hitting other boards with the news. No telling how many copies have been downloaded as a result. I tried tossing it up here on the board but so far it is not transferring cleanly off my machine - acts like it isn't a uploadable file.
bummer on the upload problems - ask flipper.
do we have a counter on the download site or can they do a script to grep the logs and provide that number? - I'd be interested.
> Now the question is, aside from what's wrong with my files, is do we want/need a forum solely for public discussion of the book, or should folks just hit the appropriate forum?
I think it would be a good idea. If for no other reason, so people could offer suggestions and corrections.
-t
Reasonable Rascal
06-01-05, 01:01
BTW, I've ordered 3 copies also, and recieved an email from another guy off Misc.Surv who also ordered 3 copies. I dare say before too long the publisher is going to be saying to themself "Wow! Goldmine!"
Hey, I know we do good work. Just have to convince the rest of the world of that little fact. :wink:
RR
Reasonable Rascal
06-01-05, 01:05
Now the question is, aside from what's wrong with my files, is do we want/need a forum solely for public discussion of the book, or should folks just hit the appropriate forum?
I think it would be a good idea. If for no other reason, so people could offer suggestions and corrections.
-t
The forum is there, bottom of the top tier. Maybe ought to move this thread to start things off?
RR
> BTW, I've ordered 3 copies also, and recieved an email from another guy off Misc.Surv who also ordered 3 copies. I dare say before too long the publisher is going to be saying to themself "Wow! Goldmine!"
> Hey, I know we do good work. Just have to convince the rest of the world of that little fact.
You are making my fingers itch for a Google search on publishers...
:-D:
-t
On ordering - been mulling that over. Trying to figure if it's more cost effective to print them out and get them bound (been looking into a binding machine - I do that enough to make it cost effective...) Is it wire bound or plastic? Plastic is cake, wire is nicer... but have not found a machine to do it (wire). Guessing they are on the expensive side...) I used to work in a print shop and did bindary work - but glue and tape stuff or plastic combs - never wire. Ink is also an issue and harder to calculate, but I think the cost should come down a few $$$ per copy w/ the home printer and postage. I want about a dozen to send to friends and family...
Been looking for a staple machine also - used to have one, kicking myself over that (and the light table, etc...)
SwedeGlocker
06-02-05, 13:49
How about a list of websites where we have posted about the FAQ? I have posted a link att:
http://lightfighter.net/eve
in the TEMS forum.
http://homesteadingtoday.com/
http://p076.ezboard.com/blibertyquestandfreedomboard
http://www.socnetcentral.com/
It's also posted on:
http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/
but not by me...
-t
others?
Reasonable Rascal
06-02-05, 15:03
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=9
http://www.assaultweb.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
http://www.texasminutemen.org/forum
RR
HuntingWolf
06-02-05, 19:19
RR,
I finally got to down it! I do have some info on the first story on the fiction part. I remember it from American Survival Guide 1980's. I have a copy in my hard files at my retreat. I can get the authors name if you want it.
Oh, I do enjoy the rest of it too! :D:
I just got an e-mail regarding the book. That's great and I'm definitely in for a couple. Thanks for the hard work!!!
Hello RR,
I will post a link at my site www.shootertalk.com
Looks good, I will order a copy to have and hold.
anthromedic
06-29-05, 20:31
K, I read thru all the posts, sounds like good work...this is ava and you guys are already talking about the 3rd edition?? LOL
and... somewhere in the various posts, someone mentioned a chapter of "101 uses for benadryl" ROFL...now THAT I would love to hear about...
yanno...maybe we should write a humorous book along those lines.... all the weird and whacky stuff we know from the field and have done, thought about, or will never admit to...
anyway... its been a while since I was here... will try not to lose all my bookmarks etc this go round...
and thanks in advance for where to get this book
Regina
Greetings, Anthromedic. And welcome.
Again, sources for the book are:
Online .PDF: http://www.aussurvivalist.com/downloads/AM%20Final%202.pdf
To order bound copy: www.cafepress.com/austeremed
Glad to have you aboard.
Stay Safe,
AGreyMan
We got a review and free mirror!
The best book on Survival Medicine I have ever seen is Survival and Austere Medicine (click here) , a 213 page .pdf download from my server. Full credit for finding this wonderful ebook goes to Australian Survivalist Online. The .pdf download of the original 1997 version of this book is available from AUSurvivalist...I merely offer a mirror web site for downloading. This book is far too valuable to be stored on a computer: remember what happens to computers when hit by an EMP blast?
A printed copy of this book should be in EVERY home for hard times! You should at the least download and print this book, but that would still leave you with an unbound, ink jet version. An updated, 191 page, printed and bound copy of this book is offered at cost only, no royalties collected by the authors, for $13.60 plus $4.00 S&H. The book can be ordered online from http://www.cafepress.com/austeremed . HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!!
http://www.endtimesreport.com/medical.html
http://www.endtimesreport.com/Survival_Medicine.pdf
-t
Another link!
There are a bunch of other interesting pubs listed here too...
http://www.burmalibrary.org/show.php?cat=1582&lo=d&sl=0
-t
Great, thanks for the heads up. I will be ordering mine soonest.
Hey tangent, tell that guy with the mirror site that download is not the 1997 original, it's the NEW updated version.
FlightERDoc
04-27-06, 20:35
bump
bump
bump
Just beng curious, but is there anyway to know how many CafePress has printed up and/or how many downloads have happened? How long will CafePress keep the CD in stock for printing anyway? I need to get busy and order a bunch more one of these days.
At cafepress we have sold about 90-100 - Im not sure how long they keep it available
In terms of downloads the sites I can monitor are > 1000 in total - I have given up checking.
cheers
Craig
How cool!!! thanks, Craig
Reasonable Rascal
08-10-06, 16:06
Bumpski, so the new folks can find it. :D:
RR
if you need a site, i can put out on my site www.tacmed.dk
Now upto 160-170 on Cafepress. 35 in the last 2 weeks.
Several thousand downloads that I can track.
cheers
Craig
Good. I've been doing 1:1 with new to prepping folks via emails and recommending it. 2 have came back and asked if it's available on the Info. sidebar at FluWiki? That site is NOT user friendly for me. Does get lots of daily action though. anybody know a MOD over there to ask? Also I'm hosting 40+ members of CurEvents,com at my place the last weekend in September and will hve Surival & Austere prominently displayed. HOpefully that will create another surge.
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