New sources:
Fantastic resource for locating places that sell chemicals:
http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/chemicals/index.html
http://www.unitednuclear.com/supplies.htm
This next one sells the closest thing to a 1960's era chem set still available:
http://www.thamesandkosmos.com/products/chem/chem2.html
about:
"One of the few companies still selling chemistry sets worthy of the name is a German-American venture called Thames & Kosmos, run by former Adobe software engineer Ted McGuire. The company’s top-of-the-line kit, the C3000, is equipped with a full complement of test tubes, beakers, pipettes, litmus paper, and more than two dozen useful compounds. But even the C3000, which retails for $200, comes with a shopping list of chemicals that must be purchased elsewhere to perform certain experiments. “A lot of retailers are scared to carry a real chemistry set now because of liability concerns,” McGuire explains. “The stuff under your kitchen sink is far more dangerous than the things in our kits, but put the word chemistry on something and people become terrified.”
http://www.nitrogenorder.org/news.shtml
see in particular this page:
http://www.nitrogenorder.org/lessons/household.shtml
This organization serves as a virtual co-op to allow it's members to buy small quantities of chemicals and glassware. Their store is currently being rebuilt and may be down through maybe AUgust 2006.
http://www.sas.org/
http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/
http://www.sciencemadness.org/
http://www.makezine.com/
http://dorkbot.org/
http://www.scifair.org/
-t
W00T! - found another couple of suppliers!
Mountain Home Biological
http://www.pelletlab.com/
They have a special on now for a 1,000ml Graham condensor for $24 !!! WOW!
Right below that they have adapters for sink or garden hose to standard tubing connectors! SWEET! (and cheap!)
prices on glassware are not bad either - 250ml retort for $28... Sep funnels start at $30 for glass, but $18.60 for plastic (never seen a plastic sep funnel before). They have a sep funnel support (ring stand, but better - more stable) for $3.80...
OH! - this looks nice! Wheel Pipette pumps! "Good quality. Pipettors provide for easy and precise pipetting. Pumps feature a lever for quick release, and forward or backward wheel movement. The soft elastic chuck has a threaded collar to tightly grip glass or plastic pipettes. Easy to clean. "
I'm in love! - never seen these before! - bye, bye bulb pipette filler FOREVER!! Only thing I'm not thrilled w/ is they are $15 each!
(reaching for wallet!)
Some chem prices are bit high, and they won't batch up to 3 compatible chems under the same HAZMAT charge like Elemental will, but overall not bad... I think the most outrageous cost is for metallic sodium, a couple of items are reasonable, but note HAZMAT additional costs, others have that cost built in, but are HAZMAT. Weird... Overall, the cost of most chems without restrictions seems in line. I'm going to have to compare w/ Elemental and a few other places.... If anything they are a BIT high... Up to 2x if I had to guess, but I'll have to do item by item comparisons, and I imagine some things are available here that you can't find other places. As always, comparison shop.
couple of other links from Tri-ESS are phone only:
Science Project Supplies
Merlins Mystical Emporium
(805)388-7669
Chemicals
Del Amo Chemical co.
(310)532-9214
I have not called the above 2, and know nothing about them, but considering the ref, I'd say they are good!
OK - the bad news, a number of the suppliers from my circa 2001 list have gone out of business, I will post an update.... :(
-t
OK - here is the depressing part of my post.... and pardon my French but **** CPSC, DEA and ATF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More sources again!
W00T! - found another couple of suppliers!
Mountain Home Biological
http://www.pelletlab.com/
They have a special on now for a 1,000ml Graham condensor for $24 !!! WOW!
Right below that they have adapters for sink or garden hose to standard tubing connectors! SWEET! (and cheap!)
prices on glassware are not bad either - 250ml retort for $28... Sep funnels start at $30 for glass, but $18.60 for plastic (never seen a plastic sep funnel before). They have a sep funnel support (ring stand, but better - more stable) for $3.80...
OH! - this looks nice! Wheel Pipette pumps! "Good quality. Pipettors provide for easy and precise pipetting. Pumps feature a lever for quick release, and forward or backward wheel movement. The soft elastic chuck has a threaded collar to tightly grip glass or plastic pipettes. Easy to clean. "
I'm in love! - never seen these before! - bye, bye bulb pipette filler FOREVER!! Only thing I'm not thrilled w/ is they are $15 each!
(reaching for wallet!)
Some chem prices are bit high, and they won't batch up to 3 compatible chems under the same HAZMAT charge like Elemental will, but overall not bad... I think the most outrageous cost is for metallic sodium, a couple of items are reasonable, but note HAZMAT additional costs, others have that cost built in, but are HAZMAT. Weird... Overall, the cost of most chems without restrictions seems in line. I'm going to have to compare w/ Elemental and a few other places.... If anything they are a BIT high... Up to 2x if I had to guess, but I'll have to do item by item comparisons, and I imagine some things are available here that you can't find other places. As always, comparison shop.
couple of other links from Tri-ESS are phone only:
Science Project Supplies
Merlins Mystical Emporium
(805)388-7669
Chemicals
Del Amo Chemical co.
(310)532-9214
I have not called the above 2, and know nothing about them, but considering the ref, I'd say they are good!
OK - the bad news, a number of the suppliers from my circa 2001 list have gone out of business, I will post an update.... :(
More sources for science equipment and supplies
New sources:
Fantastic resource for locating places that sell chemicals:
http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/chemicals/index.html
http://www.unitednuclear.com/supplies.htm
This next one sells the closest thing to a 1960's era chem set still available:
http://www.thamesandkosmos.com/products/chem/chem2.html
about:
"One of the few companies still selling chemistry sets worthy of the
name is a German-American venture called Thames & Kosmos, run by
former Adobe software engineer Ted McGuire. The company's
top-of-the-line kit, the C3000, is equipped with a full complement of
test tubes, beakers, pipettes, litmus paper, and more than two dozen
useful compounds. But even the C3000, which retails for $200, comes
with a shopping list of chemicals that must be purchased elsewhere to
perform certain experiments. "A lot of retailers are scared to carry a
real chemistry set now because of liability concerns," McGuire
explains. "The stuff under your kitchen sink is far more dangerous
than the things in our kits, but put the word chemistry on something
and people become terrified."
http://www.nitrogenorder.org/news.shtml
see in particular this page:
http://www.nitrogenorder.org/lessons/household.shtml
This organization serves as a virtual co-op to allow it's members to
buy small quantities of chemicals and glassware. Their store is
currently being rebuilt and may be down through maybe AUgust 2006.
http://www.sas.org/
http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/
http://www.sciencemadness.org/
http://www.makezine.com/
http://dorkbot.org/
http://www.scifair.org/
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Elemental Scientific
http://www.elementalscientific.net/ <== FANTASTIC SUPPLIER!!!!!
update to my lab suppliers list, wherever that's hiding... probably
way back in this forum...
btw: VERY nice selection and pricing! - homeschool friendly too!
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SUPPLIERS:
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(AS&S) American Science and Surplus www.sciplus.com
best prices I've found on most items, however what they have is
spotty, with gaps in
both coverage and size ranges. I have gotten great deals on some
items, that were
exactly what I was looking for. This isn't always the case. In
particular, I have
had really bad luck buying any type of tubing from them.
** UPDATED **
(BL) Bryant Laboratories, Inc. 1-800-367-3141, call for a price list, <== now only sells chems to schools
will sell lab supplies and chemicals to individuals. Still waiting for
the price list.
FOUND WEB PAGE! www.sirius.com/~bry_lab/PROD02.HTM they sell most chemicals <== out of business
to individuals, call for possible smaller quantities and items not
listed. fairly good
selection stocked,but by default they don't seem to sell less than
500g or 1 liter,
chem prices are reasonable considering quantities - worth it if you
can split them w/
others. prices on labware/glassware vary from really good to bad -
aspirators were
$5.90 - 1/2 of the best price I found and 1/4 of the other one I
found. OTOH, a 50 mL
buret was $69.00 - most expensive one I've found - once again, comparison shop!
(BS) Blue Spruce Biological Supply bluebio.com/ has some glassware/labware, <== chems to schools only
at OK prices.
(CA) Corolina Scientific www.carolina.com They don't sell chemicals to
individuals, but have labware/glassware - count on the expensive end of the
spectrum, but if you are unable to locate something elsewhere... Of special
note is their online "world of chemistry" and "teacher world" there they have
some great online tutorial type material!
(CC) CandleChem - www.alcasoft.com/candlech...pment.html - good prices on <== out of business
containers and bottles suitable for chemicals.
** UPDATED **
(CLS) Chem Lab Supplies www.chemlab.com/ 1-714-630-XXXX, rings but i have yet to <== Gone
get an answer. *UPDATE* Well, no wonder! The number I had was wrong. They have 2
numbers: 714-630-7902 and 310-973-2391. They have a HUGE selection of
chemicals and sell
to individuals, the only catch is that they will not ship the really
hazardous stuff, you
have to come in and buy it over the counter (like metallic sodium).
Prices on chemicals
are pretty good, prices on glassware tend to be on the high end.
Labware falls in the
middle. The are distributors for Fisher Scientific and VWR Scientific
and have other
sources. They will track down special items and chemicals and
generally give a discount
off of catalog prices (like Fisher and VWR, not their own). They will
also break case
lots of glassware and sell individual items. The smallest quantity in
their catalog
tends to be 4 oz, but they may sell smaller quantities. *WEB SITE
FOUND!* see top of
listing.
(CS) The Chemistry Store www.chemistrystore.com/ very nice prices, selection <== has some chems
is some what limited and minimum quantities that must be ordered tend
to be large.
Worth looking at, especially if you can split the order w/ others. Many of their
chemicals are oriented toward candle making and fragrances.
(FCS) Forest City Surplus - www.fcsurplus.com/science/labtools.htm <== still here
very limited selection, very good prices.
*UPDATE*
(HL) Hagenow Laboratories, Hagenow Laboratories Inc., 1302 Washington
Manitowoc, Wisconsin 54220 phones disconnected, but they are said to
be mail order
only now. Has very good reputation for having the best prices and selling to
individuals. Catalog is supposed to cost $2.00. (thanks -tomv- for this listing)
name just changed to Elemental Scientific, P.O. Box 557, Appleton, WI <== Elemental is FANASTIC!!!!
54912-0571 This place does sell chemicals in small quantities and the
prices for both chemicals and lab stuff were not bad. Now that there
is a new owner the prices may go up.
(PT) Pyrotek www.pyrotek.org/ sells chems and glassware. better selection <== chems under chemistry general
of both than name would imply. glassware is overpriced. min order for chems is
generally 1 pound. Good selection of common acids at reasonable prices. Their
focus seems to be pyrotechnics, but there is a lot of organic
glassware on the site
and I knowticed a number of chemicals that are controlled - so be careful what
you order from these people. You might be doing business w/ uncle sam...
** UPDATED **
(NS) NASCO www.nascofa.com/prod/Home good selection, many <== moved to: http://www.enasco.com/science oddly, most chems are under: Reagents,Fixatives,Preservatives
unique items. Prices on glassware are not great, but has some good deals on some
lab items. Also a number of lab items not available elsewhere. They
list chemicals
but will only sell them to schools. Homeschool links/reviews say they
will (thanks
Daphne for this listing) 1/8/01 - "only sell to schools" notice seems to have
gone away.
(HTT) Home Training Tools - www.hometrainingtools.com/ <== still here
My new favorite source! Much better prices than (SF) on most items - aspirators
for $12 ((SF) wants $20), burets for $13 ((SF) wants $35)... they sell chemicals
in 1 oz and 30 mL quantities (sometimes less) and DO NOT have HAZMAT charges for
anything! The selection is fairly good, but limited. selection of labware and
glassware is decent, but somewhat limited - no where near what (TES)
or (NS) has.
Actually they want $1 for HAZMAT if you buy 2+ chems with a certain
prefix...(thanks
to Daphne again!)
(PPC) Perfect Parts Company - these are the people that used to have displays in <== don't know - have not called recently and pricy...
hobby stores. If you call them, (410-327-3522) they will send you a
catalog and can
tell you if there is a retailer in your area. Their Mail order is all
being done by
Stevens International (856-435-7645) now. Stevins is kind of a pain to
deal with,
slow to respond and not that helpfull. In many cases you have to buy a
bunch of an
item at the same time, like 12-36 of the same size stoppers at once,
or 6 test tube
holders or 12 test tube brushes... Glassware is generally sold
individually, but is
quite expensive. Stevins also acts as a distributor, and can tell you
stores in your
area that they distribute to, that Perfect will not know about.
(RL) ROWLABS www.rowlabs-scientific.com/shop.html They sell chemicals to <== seems to be a links page now
individuals in 250 mL quantities and up. Covers many of the basics,
but glassware
is on the expensive side.
(SF) Science Fair www.sciencefair.com - these people are great!, good prices <== links site now
and responsive fast service. If they don't have it, they will try and
find it for
you and act as an intermediary between you and the big chem supply
companies that don't
sell to individules. I imagine that parts listed as coming from (PPC)
could be gotten
from them for much less. (10/27/00 update - prices on most special
order items tend to
be expensive! - distilling flask was $5 more than PPC) They will not
sell chemicals to
individuals unless you come in, in person, or if you can get a
business to receive the
chemicals that are drop shipped from the suppliers. They also do not
know chemistry,
so can be hard to communicate w/ at times, when you are looking for
specific items.
(TES) Tri-Ess Sciences, Inc. www.tri-esssciences.com/ <== owner passed away after closing up shop. This site has GOOD links, not spam links and points to other suppliers.
huge selection of items I haven't been able to find elsewhere, oddly,
a few common
things aren't listed. In many cases their prices are better than The
Science Fair,
however they should be avoided for any glassware product as these are
*VERY* expensive!
look at their price list, not their catalog.
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